Meditating Squirrels by the Bay

Yup.  Talk about animals and spirit and rockstar religions.  Sponsoring the book Resurrecting Jesus and the Center for Action and Contemplation.

From podsqueeze.com:

In this podcast episode, Ben and Scott engage in a relaxed and varied dialogue. They touch upon an eclectic mix of subjects that include the intricacies of music and the art of drumming. The conversation then drifts to the scenic locale of Bodega Bay, followed by discussions on the introspective practices of meditation and personal religious beliefs. The episode offers a rich tapestry of topics, reflecting the speakers' diverse interests and thoughts.

Chapters

• 0:00 Music and Drumming
• 7:35 Bodega Bay
• 10:38 Animal Behavior & Meditation
• 17:04 Religious Beliefs and Philosophy
• 27:49 Center For Action and Contemplation
• 31:10 Back to Bodega Bay

Transcript

Ben (00:00:00) - Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep.

Scott (00:00:18) - That was too quick to fade out. What? That was too quick to fade out. I was trying to do it slow.

Ben (00:00:27) - I zoom must cut things off at a certain decibel.

Scott (00:00:33) - You can hear any of that?

Ben (00:00:34) - None. It's probably a decibel thing. It probably just doesn't come through.

Scott (00:00:42) - There's zeroing in on voice. I would guess.

Ben (00:00:48) - Yeah. Yeah. Does that mean? Like you can't play music with each other. You probably can figure it out in settings.

Scott (00:00:58) - Well, I'm not sure. I think how people did it was by, in the pandemic. You just send recordings to each other and then you play along with the recording. So it's just like you're making new tracks and GarageBand. Yeah.

Ben (00:01:16) - Yeah. Let's see, I don't want. How do I get this on my Bluetooth? Is what it is, I guess.

Scott (00:01:29) - Well, welcome to the podcast.

Ben (00:01:34) - yeah.

Scott (00:01:36) - Special evening edition.

Scott (00:01:39) - I mean. You can listen to it any time you want to. But.

Ben (00:01:47) - Yeah, but it's, special. Special. Special for us. Yeah. Special for us. To, the rock and roll nightclub.

Scott (00:02:04) - I'm in the garage. Practicing drumming before the. Curfew happens. What time? You don't know what time the drumming curfew is because.

Ben (00:02:17) - No, no one knows. Because the neighbors never communicated anything. Oh, they would just call.

Scott (00:02:26) - We talked to one neighbor, we talked to one neighbor, and he was good about it.

Ben (00:02:32) - Like, and.

Scott (00:02:33) - Hey, my.

Ben (00:02:34) - You get a curfew. Yeah. No numbers eight.

Scott (00:02:40) - Eight, 30. Maybe.

Ben (00:02:42) - Sure.

Scott (00:02:43) - Yeah, yeah.

Ben (00:02:44) - He doesn't have a baby anymore. That was like. Wow.

Scott (00:02:48) - Two babies.

Ben (00:02:49) - He had a baby.

Scott (00:02:51) - They had twins, but, Yeah. Yeah. And, I'm learning new things on drums.

Ben (00:03:00) - Yep. I'm sure all the sure, all the listeners could hear it loud and clear.

Scott (00:03:08) - And now it's conspiracy.

Scott (00:03:09) - Me conspiracy by zoom to like not. Or maybe there's a setting on zoom that will allow musical musical sounds through. And maybe. Yeah.

Ben (00:03:26) - Now, zoom just loves a. Jung loves gaslighting everyone.

Scott (00:03:32) - But you know.

Ben (00:03:33) - Then you mean there wasn't any music?

Scott (00:03:36) - Do you know the new music? Yeah. What? You know the new wisdom I found in the last week? How would you be.

Ben (00:03:48) - Here to live? Paradox is the only way to actually access wisdom. Is that what you learned?

Scott (00:03:58) - Yeah, that could cover it. But,

Ben (00:04:00) - Yeah, it always does because it's true. But what were you going to say?

Scott (00:04:05) - You know, on the third beat in a measure. It's always the snare and something else.

Ben (00:04:12) - It's always.

Scott (00:04:13) - A snare. Kick kick kick kick.

Ben (00:04:16) - You know, always. There'd be one.

Scott (00:04:19) - Two, three. And, you know.

Ben (00:04:22) - I didn't actually know that.

Scott (00:04:23) - If you hit those at the same time. Whatever. Two things you're hitting on the third beat. It sounds really good.

Scott (00:04:34) - So I found this a magical trait. Well, the demonstration is not going to go through, but.

Ben (00:04:41) - Well, good on a drum pad.

Scott (00:04:43) - Okay, maybe a drum pad.

Ben (00:04:46) - Mate, but it might not. You're right. And. Skate works at drum pad has a skate work sticker on it.

Scott (00:04:57) - It's good.

Ben (00:04:58) - It's a nice throwback. Back when skateboarding shops.

Scott (00:05:07) - Oh, so if I, if I do it wrong, it's like. Where you hear kind of a flam where I don't quite get it right. You know, little like a stumble on the third beat.

Ben (00:05:19) - Hear that? Flam?

Scott (00:05:20) - If you can. You hear that?

Ben (00:05:23) - I could hear a flam.

Scott (00:05:24) - Right? So if I do it right, I don't have the flam.

Ben (00:05:29) - Can you define Slam for those at home?

Scott (00:05:36) - To drum stick hits that are. Don't happen at the same time, but are closely spaced. Yeah.

Ben (00:05:47) - I'm good. Yeah. Slam lam. So lame. But.

Scott (00:05:56) - So there's the original, this original tool, the first, drumming device we bought.

Scott (00:06:04) - Is the secret weapon. Because I can't hear the flames. On the whole drumset. Yep. Yep.

Ben (00:06:15) - Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep.

Scott (00:06:20) - We do a lot of that in this podcast I've noticed.

Ben (00:06:24) - A lot of Europe. Europe. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yep yep yep yep yep yeah. I mean, for the, The untrained comedian. The yup is, definitely. Over over utilized. This expression phrase, I don't know.

Scott (00:06:47) - Well, it is kind of like an, Except you seem like you're getting more done. Yep yep yep. You're agreeing?

Ben (00:07:01) - Yeah. The people pleasers. Yeah. Yep. Yep. My landlord does that whenever we, do impersonations of our landlord or yo yo yo yo yo. Sure. Yep. Yeah. why do they call it bodega Bay? I've thought about that.

Scott (00:07:35) - About Dega is a like a restaurant or a small cafe or grocery store or something.

Ben (00:07:43) - Yeah, it's like a little. I'm pretty sure it's like a little corner store. Right.

Ben (00:07:53) - Yeah.

Scott (00:07:55) - Maybe it was the first place north of San Francisco on the coast, where you could stop your ship and go to a place and buy food. So it's like it was the the bay with a bodega. And if you remember right, I mean, no. You can remember wrong, I don't care. yeah. This territory was originally, Mexico out of the English language, to put it that way. Yeah.

Ben (00:08:31) - Yep yep yep. Well, I just access the, Wikipedia page for bodega Bay, California, a village and census designated place in Sonoma County, California. Oh. Only 912 people in the 2020 census are. Let's look at the, It was named after. Juan Francisco de la Bodega Quadra, a Spanish naval officer who explored the west coast of North America.

Scott (00:09:06) - Oh, he was the guy.

Ben (00:09:09) - Okay. Okay. Why is he named de.

Speaker 3 (00:09:13) - La Bodega Quadra?

Scott (00:09:16) - He's from the. He's from the place with four bodegas. That's what it sounds like.

Ben (00:09:26) - Yeah. That's. Yeah.

Ben (00:09:28) - There you go. You probably nailed it. The location scenes in the Alfred Hitchcock directed film The Birds, 1963, were filmed in both bodega Bay and nearby bodega, though both were represented as being parts of the films bodega Bay.

Scott (00:09:50) - The only scary birds we saw were about, you know, a herd of turkeys. They were.

Ben (00:09:58) - They were scary.

Scott (00:10:00) - They were eyeing us for a long time.

Ben (00:10:03) - You felt afraid.

Scott (00:10:06) - Like they expected something. You know, they like. Hey. Person who's normally here feeds us and.

Ben (00:10:15) - Oh yeah, okay.

Scott (00:10:17) - Physically, all of us together are bigger than you. So yeah.

Ben (00:10:21) - And we spend a lot more time fighting for our lives than you do. That's why I'm always scared of animals, because they are there on the daily grind. If every day is a struggle.

Scott (00:10:38) - But you have to go to the store and. Drive a car and buy dead plants and animals and cook them, I mean. That all takes a lot. Takes a lot of,

Ben (00:10:53) - And someone has already killed them for me.

Scott (00:10:57) - I see. Yeah.

Ben (00:10:58) - Right now we're pretty. We're pretty squishy as humans.

Scott (00:11:02) - The killing thing?

Ben (00:11:03) - Yeah. The squirrel spends 90% of his life looking for food and will murder fellow squirrels. To make sure that it has its food. Whereas we wait in line at the grocery store and just. You know. You get frustrated by how many people are ahead of us? And to that person that's carrying around the basket in the grocery store. You. You didn't realize how much they could actually carry around in the basket. And then once they actually get there, it's like they they really chalked it full. They got strong shoulders to be carrying that around the grocery store.

Scott (00:11:49) - Yeah, I'm still stuck on the murdering squirrels.

Ben (00:11:54) - what about them?

Scott (00:11:56) - I will be googling that too.

Ben (00:11:59) - Oh, they're very territorial. Confirmed. You ever seen squirrels run after each other? They're either looking to fornicate forcibly, forcefully, or drive a fellow squirrel out of its territory.

Scott (00:12:14) - So they don't have consent in their world? I guess not.

Ben (00:12:20) - Don't think many animals outside of the human species do.

Scott (00:12:29) - They just have. The instinct. That works out that way because, yeah.

Ben (00:12:36) - Sociality is a thing in the animal kingdom, but also oops. Opt out. Right out. these are the extra small little, rubber things for my AirPods, and they. And they are still too big. You have. I have really funnily shaped ear canals, I think. Anyway. Yes, I think pro sociality is a thing in the animal kingdom, but I think it's largely overrun by. Just get it. The instinct to fornicate and eat. And. Dominate. I'm kind of talking out. Talking out of my. Which? Which is.

Scott (00:13:34) - What are you talking out of? The top of your head and the top of your head.

Ben (00:13:43) - Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Scott (00:13:44) - That's an office right there.

Ben (00:13:46) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. My third eye has been opened. I went to meditation tonight. Yeah. You did? Yep. This island is, It's got a lot going for it.

Ben (00:13:57) - And there's a, There's a Tibetan Buddhist. Temple. Just like a ten minute drive. On the house. And every Monday night they have meditations open to the public.

Scott (00:14:15) - What's the format?

Ben (00:14:20) - about half an hour of the teacher Rinpoche. But half hour, half hour of him talking about meditation and mindfulness and then. a little bit of chanting. Like a minute of chanting and then about half an hour of meditation.

Scott (00:14:43) - Is there any, mumbo jumbo that they ask you to believe in so as to exclude all those who don't believe in that thing?

Ben (00:14:54) - I don't think so. But if there was. I'm so far in the mumbo jumbo that I don't even think about it. I don't think so.

Scott (00:15:06) - You don't have to believe in some unnatural thing happened, you know? Some undocumented miracle. No. The end to all this. No no no. No, it's more like. It's more like rock and roll in that way. It's like, hey, just try this. You'll feel.

Ben (00:15:28) - Good. It's it's kind of the opposite because it's about paying attention to what actually exists.

Ben (00:15:37) - That's what that's what meditation actually really comes down to, is just noticing what's actually going on in any given moment. That's why you focus on the sensations of your body, the breathing. And you pay attention to thoughts and you also understand the thoughts is also just these sorts of just like how you feel your hands, you know, if you were to close your eyes and just feel the sensations of your hands, it's really just a pattern of energy. And thoughts are the same way. They just kind of arise in a different way. But they're all contents of consciousness, you know.

Scott (00:16:18) - this is my

Ben (00:16:21) - That. Yeah, I mean, that's closer to the base of reality than, you know, thinking thinking about, you know, how much. How much work you have to do tomorrow or something.

Scott (00:16:34) - The latest effective tool I've gotten from my therapy. Is, Borrowed from. The Big Lebowski. And it's what I do is, Whenever a thought comes up. I say to myself, hey, that's just your opinion, man.

Ben (00:17:04) - Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Hey, Zeus don't know. Shit. That's just your opinion, man. You know? Jesus. It's like that's. Well, Jesus. You know, that's like your opinion, man.

Scott (00:17:19) - And it works.

Ben (00:17:20) - I don't know, dad. Do you like Jesus? And Jesus had a lot of opinions.

Scott (00:17:27) - and we're not talking about the bowling character in the movie anymore.

Ben (00:17:30) - Correct? Correct. We have gone from John Turturro's character to. Yeah.

Scott (00:17:35) - I'm Jesus is more than just all right by me. As a historical philosopher who survived the execution, an execution attempt by the Roman Empire. It's in the story. Read it.

Ben (00:17:52) - You had some lipstick going home. This is. This may be the, I don't know, it's probably. Probably not that probably like the 21st. 22nd time. You know, my dad has said yes. I admire this man who survived the execution. Yeah, but not because he he wants. But Scott wants to be clear that he does not believe in.

Scott (00:18:21) - The Easter bunny.

Ben (00:18:23) - The Easter bunny.

Scott (00:18:24) - I don't believe in the Easter Bunny. I don't believe in Santa Claus.

Ben (00:18:28) - The horizon over those things. Christ from the dead. Yeah. Do you think you're being contrarian when you want to make it so clear that you think you survived the execution? Like, why can't, why, why can't it just, like, not matter? Like it's a story. Like it's a myth. It's it's a mythology. And the truth of what he says and what the truth of the Scripture doesn't really change. Like that. That is one. That is one magical.

Scott (00:19:02) - Yes, I think it matters.

Ben (00:19:03) - Story. Amongst like dozens and dozens of magical happenings throughout. The throughout the the telling of throughout the New Testament.

Scott (00:19:16) - I think it matters.

Ben (00:19:17) - What about all the others? What about when he touched a leper and the leper was cured? No good. What about all the fish?

Scott (00:19:28) - Good point.

Ben (00:19:29) - Good point. What about all the fish he materialized.

Scott (00:19:31) - Walking on water.

Scott (00:19:33) - What about the walking on water?

Ben (00:19:34) - What about the the the the guy who's a psychosis and split personality. He just completely cured. Despite like being Jesus. It's all story. It's all myth. It's, it's it's for storytelling purposes. And that makes it like the best. If you read it that way, it becomes the best, just most incredible piece of literature. Known to man. It, but that's just, you know, my opinion, man.

Scott (00:20:10) - Yeah. And viewing it as myth is good, because when I was growing up, no one said you had to believe in stuff about Jupiter or Mars or whatever. It's just like, hey, these are good stories. Just listen to them. And. That's what I think is a problem. If you train people to just, you have to believe in something that's unprovable. To be a member of this in-group. And that's a process I'm against.

Ben (00:20:44) - Yeah. Yeah.

Scott (00:20:46) - You know, unless the impossible thing.

Ben (00:20:49) - You have a bone to pick with, the institution of Christianity.

Ben (00:20:55) - Well, you and every other highly educated.

Scott (00:21:00) - I mean, it's a different thing. Believing. Something about. A power structure that arose after this guy Jesus went through this experience. Versus like, oh, let's say Grateful Dead is the best band ever. Who am I harming? If I think that, you know.

Ben (00:21:26) - well, you know, it depends on if you make a church.

Scott (00:21:31) - Oh, there'll be a church there. There will be one.

Ben (00:21:36) - So we don't really know who we're harming until, you know, a million years down the line. Oh, when the church of Jerry Garcia is, is is telling.

Scott (00:21:48) - Fighting the Church of China and.

Ben (00:21:50) - Telling trans people they can't get gender affirming surgery because it's not yet in line with the doctrine of.

Scott (00:21:58) - How their whole.

Ben (00:21:59) - Doctrine.

Scott (00:22:00) - Flipped in 2600, and they went from being like. You know. Peace and love. And then they got in a war with the one love people, you know?

Ben (00:22:11) - Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Scott (00:22:13) - The, Mali ites.

Scott (00:22:14) - And then who else? What's John Lennon's religion?

Ben (00:22:22) - Like the Beatles I don't know.

Scott (00:22:23) - Love is love is all you. Love is all you need I don't know.

Ben (00:22:30) - Yeah, hopefully celebrities don't start making religions. Although that's nobody.

Scott (00:22:35) - Jesus didn't make Christianity. He was.

Ben (00:22:38) - No he didn't. You're right. Yeah.

Scott (00:22:41) - He laid low. He laid low.

Ben (00:22:43) - There, there has there there's not. There is not currently. In the. Yes. So I feel like a celebrity in today's world could never. Become Jesus because Jesus was so far outside of needing to be within. Institutions so far outside of needing to like, impress people, he was just fully and utterly just living. Spirit, you know. And I feel like celebrities are kind of inherently entrenched in culture. And Jesus was kind of always outside of it.

Scott (00:23:29) - But I think he was a bit of a rock star to attract the attention, of course, of the Roman Empire.

Ben (00:23:36) - But the rock star thing was just a was was kind of just an.

Ben (00:23:43) - You know, that was just like an emergent property of him living spirit. So completely. It wasn't the other way around, you know, it wasn't like, you know, Mick Jagger, you know. Yeah, he's he's got spirit and he's got art, but he's not a rock star because. He. He he like, feels and just sees God in absolutely everything. He's he's a rock star because he wanted to be a rock star.

Scott (00:24:14) - You know. So, okay, there's a difference between because Jesus.

Ben (00:24:18) - Never wanted to be a rock star.

Scott (00:24:20) - Are you sure?

Ben (00:24:23) - in the story. I guess I'm talking about it from the story.

Scott (00:24:27) - But he did do things to bring him. Great notice.

Ben (00:24:34) - Like. Yeah. Because he.

Speaker 3 (00:24:36) - Because he,

Scott (00:24:39) - Well.

Ben (00:24:40) - He did things to bring him great notice, but he usually was telling up until the most of the time when he would do stuff, he would tell people. Don't tell anyone about this, okay? And then the people he was doing stuff for would go around being like, oh my God, dude, this guy, Jesus Christ, he, oh my God, you should have seen it.

Ben (00:25:02) - He fed us all the fish and he was like, I told you not to tell anyone. It wasn't really him that was going around being like, oh, I'm Jesus boy. It was the people being like, dude, have you met Jesus? And he'd be like, keep your voice down, man. This shit's not going to work if you can't keep your mouth shut.

Scott (00:25:24) - Well, that's a good point. Yeah. Keep it dark. I mean, that's why I think he went dark after he, it was survived the execution. It's like, nah, I'm not going to trumpet this anymore. Yeah, but how do you know all this? We never. Took you.

Ben (00:25:44) - I, I, I like the Bible.

Scott (00:26:05) - You've read the Bible?

Ben (00:26:06) - I haven't read it. I've read, I, oh, here's. So here's our sponsor, I guess, today, which, is that it's a book called, Resurrecting Jesus. The the, I can't remember what the subtitle is. Something like embodying the life of a of a revolutionary mystic.

Ben (00:26:32) - I think it's by this guy that calls himself Adyar Shanti. And he's trained in Zen Buddhism, actually, but now he's a multi-faith spiritual teacher. And after he got into Zen. And did a bunch of meditation. He started getting really into Christian mystics, and then he didn't really think about Jesus that much. But then further along in his spiritual path, he picked up the Bible, and it was even more life changing than anything else before. And so he wrote this book called Resurrecting Jesus, which is just a telling of the New Testament. And he goes through the different stories and anecdotes. and he talks about it from the perspective of this multi-faith spiritual teacher. and I'm also follow this guy a. also brought to you by the center for Action and Contemplation. This guy, Richard Rohr from, like, Ohio or something is a Christian. I believe a Franciscan. Of the Franciscan.

Scott (00:27:49) - You had to throw in.

Ben (00:27:50) - Franciscan Brother or something. He went to seminary school.

Scott (00:27:54) - you know, you know about the Franciscans.

Ben (00:27:57) - Yeah, well. Not much.

Scott (00:28:00) - He's just a guy who decided to take Jesus's. Admonition about poverty.

Ben (00:28:09) - Seriously and write.

Scott (00:28:13) - The monastery about people who were like, right? Jesus said, all this is more important than money. So yeah, let's do it.

Ben (00:28:25) - Yeah.

Scott (00:28:27) - Yeah.

Ben (00:28:27) - But Richard Rohr is this guy that started this organization called the center for Action and Contemplation. And every I read his daily meditations, he sends out an email every day and just has a different topic and talks about some something deep and really cool. From the perspective of Christianity. And he usually gets into Scripture and there's storytelling behind it and all that. so yeah, these two guys more or less like, talk about Christianity as like they're getting, I think, down to like the essence of what the original intent was.

Scott (00:29:11) - Philosophers slash mystic whatever.

Ben (00:29:13) - Yeah, yeah. And also just all around like how to be the best human you can be, you know? Yeah. To the whole. The whole point of religion is to open up.

Ben (00:29:25) - Humans to the mystery of being alive. And religion. Christianity, and most religion in America today does not. Even that's not even on the radar, you know, the alive. It's like the original. Like if you can open up people to that spirit, to that just underlying reality, primordial thing. Beneath all of this, the more you can open people up to that. The more.

Speaker 3 (00:29:59) - The more.

Ben (00:30:02) - The more pro-social people become. Yeah, the better. They can take care of themselves and others. Yeah. So.

Scott (00:30:14) - Yes. There we go.

Ben (00:30:15) - Brought to you by Shanti and Richard. War. Thanks, old white dudes. Anyway, what were you going to say?

Scott (00:30:39) - Now, now sing something so I can make it the intro like I just did.

Ben (00:30:44) - Now zoom, zoom won't let me think. Okay. I'll sing. I'll sing when she has a sing in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (00:30:51) - No more room. no more Buddha. no more Dharma.

Ben (00:31:05) - Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:31:06) - Namo song. Yeah. Namo song.

Ben (00:31:10) - Welcome to the podcast, everybody. That's a good question. Today's question. Why do they call it bodega Bay? Thanks for being here.

Scott (00:31:24) - I don't know why. But it's fun to go there. I mean, we.

Ben (00:31:29) - We found out we went on Wikipedia and found out dad.

Speaker 4 (00:31:33) - Said, okay.

Scott (00:31:36) - Sorry, I don't want to garage.

Ben (00:31:38) - The garage does this to people. You just walk into the garage and you instantly have short term memory. I don't remember his name. Bodega Bay. Bodega Quadra got his name from the Spanish colonist.

Scott (00:31:55) - I just finished like, the podcast from two times ago, and like I said before, it's like a really good exercise in that. And it makes me appreciate the. The, Humor. It also makes me like, go. Like you got to be quicker. Come on quick.

Ben (00:32:21) - I know, I know, yeah.

Scott (00:32:24) - So I cut up.

Ben (00:32:25) - Yeah.

Scott (00:32:26) - Don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah. I cut out the long pause, long pauses before the good joke comes or.

Scott (00:32:36) - Well not always. The pauses are part of it. But you don't want to burden the listener.

Ben (00:32:44) - Yeah I know, yeah. Yeah. My meter speaking is. How do you say? Delayed.

Scott (00:32:58) - Retarded.

Ben (00:33:00) - Sorry. Yeah. I mean, that's technically speaking, correct. Yep yep yep.

Scott (00:33:11) - Yep. I got a really good joke. Weird. So this weekend, we almost had a guest. my friend. Bones from college. But things didn't all work out.

Ben (00:33:26) - Yeah.

Scott (00:33:28) - Yeah, but I like bones. I mean, since I met him, of course I liked him. and part of it was for his, sense of humor. he he, you know, he's just a good person for joking with and, you know, talking to him because, like, doing a podcast, you you have callbacks, you have whatever.

Ben (00:33:54) - Sure.

Scott (00:33:56) - And I got the you want to know the best laugh of the weekend. Yes, yes. That's your response?

Ben (00:34:06) - Yes. Yes you do.

Scott (00:34:08) - Read the cards there in front of you.

Ben (00:34:11) - Yeah. Yeah. Jimi's telling me. Yes. So, yeah, we got the green light.

Scott (00:34:17) - We are talking about cancer and something. And. You know, some people's life experiences with it and. I said something about cancer. You know. And then your mom. Said something else. And I did a really good job. I just said, I said, what do you know?

Speaker 3 (00:34:49) - Ha ha ha.

Scott (00:34:53) - Which is funny because your mother is funny.

Ben (00:34:56) - Because my mom is an oncologist and has been for almost 30 years.

Scott (00:35:01) - But my timing was good.

Ben (00:35:04) - And yeah, I bet. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott (00:35:08) - Jones and his wife, Debbie could not stop laughing for a while. And your mom laughed, too. It wasn't vicious, was.

Ben (00:35:20) - I mean, she's secure enough. And her,

Scott (00:35:23) - Oncologist. Oncological.

Ben (00:35:26) - Oncological knowledge to be confused with ontological knowledge. Wow.

Scott (00:35:34) - What's the difference between a herpetologist and a. So. Sorry, I just screwed up that joke. Never mind.

Ben (00:35:43) - Haematologist. Metallurgist.

Scott (00:35:48) - Ichthyology. Herpetologist and an ichthyologist.

Ben (00:35:53) - You.

Scott (00:35:54) - You probably know the difference because you have a degree and I do.

Ben (00:35:58) - I think a lot of people know the difference.

Scott (00:35:59) - You have a degree in science, right?

Ben (00:36:02) - Yeah. And well, the big thing is that I used to want to be an ichthyologist when I was a kid. Yeah.

Scott (00:36:09) - So we got a minute here. So we have to say one minute. That sounds like a round up, and then I cut off. Everything after that roundup.

Speaker 5 (00:36:19) - Okay. All right.

Ben (00:36:21) - Thank you. Well, thanks for joining us here this evening. getting to the bottom of things.

Speaker 3 (00:36:30) - I think we did a pretty good job.

Ben (00:36:32) - Maybe we should. I was going to say.

Scott (00:36:36) - We should be more shallow. I think.

Ben (00:36:40) - Yeah, we can do that too. We're there. We're there in the shallow.

Scott (00:36:44) - That's a.

Ben (00:36:44) - Song. You know what? They just started up, improv again on the island. And I don't know if it works for my schedule anymore.

Ben (00:36:52) - That's a bummer. I would love to figure it out, but. Luckily I'm here. You. We're getting our we're getting our comedy chops going. Thanks for being here. Thank you.

Scott (00:37:08) - Thank you. That could be the end right there. Or you never know.

Speaker 3 (00:37:13) - Or normal would be, normal. Buddha. normal would be a normal Buddha. Yeah.

Ben (00:37:36) - Yep yep yep yep.