TAGQ (That's A Good Question)
TAGQ (That's A Good Question)
Smoking Pork Sauce
Ever had a guitar that stole the show during a recording session? Let us take you on a humorous journey as we face down technical gremlins, risk legal drama with Paramount Pictures, and introduce our delightful new "music box" guitar to the mix. From echo cancellations to the suspense of a computer on its last battery legs during a Zoom call, our latest episode captures the chaos and charm of podcasting from our newly revamped space. Get ready for a vivid—and slightly chaotic—description of our setup that might just have you eyeing your own recording environment with a bit more love.
Wander with us down memory lane, where childhood Christmas shopping at Target meets the unstoppable force of modern consumer culture. That hoodie from a sibling? We remember it fondly, alongside the sensory rollercoaster of California rains and childhood car rides. A cheeky comparison of Jeff Bezos to an aging rescue dog stirs up thoughts about the dominance of big corporations and the rituals that shape our lives today. Whether it's the allure of nostalgia or the musings on societal change, this episode serves up a hearty portion of reflective humor.
And just when you think you've heard it all, we have a near kitchen disaster that teeters on the edge of comedy and caution, cooked up alongside the fascinating science of animal communication. From the rich beer culture of Wisconsin to the deforestation issues in Germany, we weave together stories that span culinary mishaps and environmental insights. Big trees and their vital significance in forestry wrap up our episode as we celebrate the wonders of nature and the quirky intersections of life that keep us endlessly entertained.
He's being recorded. He can't always be recording. We have to go over the last few jokes that we missed. Oh, I forgot them already. Welcome everybody. Yeah, Paramount Pictures might sue us for this one.
Scott:Try to turn on the music.
Ben:Music us for this one, I tried to turn on the music. A little better. I can do that. It's a little bit better, but it's hard. I've been practicing this a lot the last few days, but I can't quite get it.
Scott:Well, I turned off echo cancellations. Well, it turned off echo cancellations.
Ben:You're less filled.
Scott:Yeah, you really need the reverb in this one To the audience listening. He's not this bad. The audio recording is getting rid of it.
Ben:I'll be curious to hear what it sounds like. I got full-blown acoustics. Audio analog yeah. Boostix audio analog yeah.
Scott:Congratulations on your new guitar.
Ben:On the new music box.
Scott:Yeah.
Ben:Thanks, I even have a hook for it up here.
Scott:Oh, let's see, yeah, check it out, it's a listener, look at that, and it's oh nicely oh let's see, yeah, check it out. It's that listener, look at that. Oh, nicely elevated.
Ben:Yeah, yeah, the whole level I'm really playing with the devil on this one. I just unplugged my computer and we're on Zoom, so it might die any second.
Scott:Here's the room.
Ben:And then you turn. It's so dark you can't see anything.
Scott:The guitar you note on the right wall and the picture of the colorful flowers on the left wall.
Ben:Such a cisgender dude and you're wearing your brother's hoodie, such a bachelor, my brother, you're wearing your brother's such a bachelor.
Scott:My brother, you're wearing your brother's the hoodie he made and sold, yeah yeah, it's good.
Ben:Unfortunately, I love it so much that I've been wearing it so much and now the the sleeve. You know how that happens with sweatshirts. I feel like the first thing to go are always the cuffs, it's always the sleeves, and I was actually a few weeks ago. I was doing jiu-jitsu on the kitchen floor with my housemate and he was grabbing my sleeves and I was like it's sweatshirt, no? And he stretched them out. They were already pretty stretched out, but because I always pull them up in my forearms, you know, yeah, but it's like this is a limited edition, I can't just get another one. It doesn't work that way, you know. Well, I'm just gonna keep it in a plastic bag for the rest of my life uh, uh.
Scott:You can um put in a on your Christmas wishlist if you want.
Ben:Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, I don't know. It's getting pretty close to that that time. Yep, friday the 13th, today, friday December 13th, oh, wow, like, at what point is there the cutoff on the Christmas list? You know, I guess y'all are probably buying things up to like the prime two day limit Prime prime's the cutoff. Oh my gosh, what do those warehouses look like? On like December 23rd.
Scott:Well, they're replacing, like the role Target used to have. When I was a kid, you know, target was the place you drove to and then they had one of everything and just pick from what they choose and you get it home in four hours. My parents they were probably one of the last customers at Target on the last day.
Ben:What do you remember from Christmas shopping in the week leading up to Christmas?
Scott:shopping. In the week leading up to christmas um set the city just uh active buying things.
Ben:I didn't buy stuff much what is it like on the road getting into the actual place? So I remember growing up like target was a frequent place. It's like, ben, you need to go get something for your brothers and it's like, okay, I guess we'll go to Target. And it was always raining and there was like December 23rd. There was an absurd amount of traffic on El Camino and I just it was always kind of a fun time because, like you know, we were off from school and there was nowhere we really had to be. But I also remember it being just like I'm like stepping into those memories right now. I'm just like, oh my God, like oh I would. There's something about incredibly high traffic roads, not because there's like a crash or anything, just because the roads are so flooded that time of year, it's like four o'clock and it's still dark out. Yeah, still dark out.
Scott:It's just getting dark out and and you look like this is causing you anxiety. That's. I don't know what. It's just this excitement.
Ben:I wouldn't say it's I don't know what it is. It's maybe like a tinge of anxiety, but I wouldn't say it's anxiety so much, as like just it's just an absurd debate that this is like what this is just a cultural ritual we have.
Scott:Instead of us going to Target, the Amazon Prime truck, which is electric and kind of cool looking, comes to us.
Ben:I just I would love to be a fly on the wall in those warehouses yeah, I they.
Scott:They need competition, they need, uh, collective bargaining with their employees. Um, they don't have that right. I mean, and if businessmen were not just sold on just being a replacement billionaire, they could gather together and form competitive businesses to his, you know right instead.
Ben:Of just your footprint on community and popularity contest yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not the only one who can open a store like that.
Scott:You know, know, I mean, yeah, he's the 800-pound gorilla, the one that you have to go after with antitrust law.
Ben:But you know? So Bezos has an 800-pound gorilla. That's fun.
Scott:Bill Gates wasn't the only one who could write software. Don't tell anybody.
Ben:Who else could, hundreds of else could hundreds of others, thousands of others?
Ben:yeah, it just takes a while for the 800 gorilla to um grow old, you know right right yeah, they're like kind of like how sophie the little dog was like 14 years old before she got attacked by the German Shepherd. It's like, oh, sophie's the oldest one in here, even though she's 12 pounds and I'm 60. Like Sophie's still the alpha, because you know she's 13 and she's still here, which must mean like she's oldest, she's seen the most shit, she must be the alpha. And so it's like but then it gets to a point where it's like, wait, sophie kind of smells old. And then it's like kill her, kill her, it's my turn I like.
Scott:I like this comparison sophie to uh, sophie to your elder rescue dog, or our elder rescue dog to Jeff Bezos yeah, when is Jeff Bezos going to start?
Ben:someone had a. Jeff Bezos moment in her life when is society going to be like wait this guy, wait. I don't know if he's. He needs to be like at home with his family and just like eating peanut butter and like being like spoon fed bone broth right now. When does that happen? I don't know. Yeah, sophie, yeah, we've probably talked. I was gonna say that before.
Scott:I don't know. On the drive to target it was usually slushy. There's probably snow, you know, on the road, on the sides of the roads, around the lawns, yeah yeah, yeah, I remember big puddles.
Ben:Yeah, remember big old puddles I see that's your California version of a part of the memory, too, is probably playing outside in the rain beforehand and getting all damp and like. Because we were California kids we didn't have any actual like outdoor gear. We would just go out in our cotton sweatshirts and jeans and like tennis shoes and then we'd like play in the gutter, put bottle caps down, have them sail down and race into the storm sewer. And then mom would be like okay, I'm ready to go, let's go to target. And then we'd jump in the car and I would be like weirdly like freezing, but also like uncomfortably hot at the same time because of how the heat was blasting in the camry. And then there was always that weird like you'll do that would be like sprayed out into the car whenever you turn the air on. So it's just like the kind of just like. And then they were leather fake leather, seeds maybe, or really real leather, I don't know are you a super smeller too?
Ben:I think all kids are super smellers.
Scott:They're just into that sort of thing, you know, yeah I guess you don't express it, the negative side of it, that much, so I'm not that aware of it that's not usually pretty negative I know you're more, yeah, you're not using I like I like being able to smell and you're more you're not using.
Ben:I like being able to smell you're using your nose to smell good things yeah well, right now my entire house kind of smells like the resin that like accumulates on like weed pipes and the little like pieces on bongs, because the other night, my, how does it smell like this? The little like pieces on bongs, because the other night, my, it doesn't always smell like this.
Scott:It's like midnight?
Ben:no, it doesn't, but it has for like the last four days. Okay, it's just like in the paint. Now it's oh my gosh, it's. I don't smell it right now because I've been in here all day, but if I were to leave and go on like a five minute walk then I'd come back and I'd be able to smell it. But the other night he cooks. He's kind of like Adam, and that Adam, my younger brother for the listeners that don't know he and he like starts cooking dinner at like 10 PM and so he was like reducing some sauce and he must have.
Ben:I don't know, I was asleep, but I don't know if he forgot about it or what. But when I woke up the next morning I couldn't quite place it, but it kind of smelled like if you had just shoved an entire loaf of bread in a toaster oven and just turned it on permanently and then just left it there, yeah, all night. Yeah, that's kind of what it smelled like and some of it had dissipated and I'm sure, like in the actual act of things, it was like really bad. But I somehow didn't wake up from any of this and there's probably a fire that almost started and everything.
Ben:And I got up and there was this enamel cast iron pot and there was just like this half inch thick of just like hardened tar on the bottom of this pot and I was just oh, and I couldn't quite place it at the time. But I realized that it really just smelled like resin from you know smoking apparati and what was being cooked I some sort of like pork sauce. I don't know. I feel like he was reducing he made pork the other day and I think he was just reducing down all the water to like get like a really potent, you know a Jew at the bottom of it all or something.
Ben:I don't have fire alarms because three or four bachelors ago probably, with burning microwave popcorn every other night, it was like fuck these things, like come on, and they took out every single one of the fire alarms in the house like that's, it's. Yeah, it's a hazard, it's bad, thank you.
Ben:woke up at 4 am to the smell woke him up, yeah, and then he went downstairs and was like I think our house is burning down right now. I don't know how I didn't wake up. I am so much more of a deep sleeper than I thought with this, yeah you.
Scott:You'll have new firearms by firearms, no fire alarms.
Ben:But yeah, parker, yes parker, like immediately the next morning reinstalled the one in the kitchen. He had been trying to figure it out before because he he has gone through this a couple of times where like there was like a big kitchen thing and then he was like we need to get these fire alarms, but it was a whole thing because we have like super tall ceilings and yada yada yada, good, good, so audience is already relieved yeah, we're.
Ben:Yeah, I guess that's a pretty. You see a story like that at least once a year in the news, like house of three grad school students burns down, with them inside hey, I um investigation shows they had no fire alarms because they were partiers I overboiled maple syrup, so it can happen, I know I know yeah.
Scott:Does the?
Ben:cabin smell like pure resin.
Scott:Now that was like I don't know. I'm not a super smeller.
Ben:I guess I never thought of whether you don't have to be a super smeller to smell this.
Scott:I know you got to pay attention to it.
Ben:Yeah, did you know that how well animals are able to smell is, like, linearly proportionate to how big their noses are? The bigger the nose, the better they smell. So elephants are like. But I think it's a little more complex than that. Elephants, well, it's like is that a nose, or is that like their tool, or is that just a pipe? Is that their?
Scott:nose, or is it a pipe?
Ben:okay, so horses have good smell yeah, I don't know how big their actual, like anatomical nose is though bears are a good example. It's like their noses and their actual stuff that helps them with their sensitivity. There's just so so. There's so many things going on and up, so I just yeah, I don't, actually I don't know. This was something I learned in outdoor ed when I was in fifth grade, just to like get kids to be like wow do they use noses to identify others Bears or horses or dogs?
Ben:Horses. I was just talking to someone about horses the other night. Horses are so amazingly sensitive with their body language, with one another. Like, apparently, when they come up to each other, a lot of the time they'll stand side by side and they'll just brush each other with their ear or something, and then they'll whip them with a tail, and there's just so much nuance in terms of how they're like what did that tail whip mean?
Ben:I feel like I imagine a movie where it're just it's about horses and you just have subtitles the whole time and like you can pick up all these little things that they're doing with each other, like how they move their eyes and like how they shift their body just a couple of inches one way and then when they leave, they like whip their tail back and just kind of like brush, brush their friend and they go away. Or there's just so much going on there and I feel like a lot of people have seen it when horses, you know, come and greet each other and then it's like something happens. But it's almost imperceptible, but something happens and then all of a sudden the horse one of the horses just goes nuts, it's like tries to kick the other one. What's going?
Scott:on. What is that? Where did it?
Ben:from, but there is, I'm hearing myself now. Is that why your face looks weird?
Scott:uh, I just hit this button original sound for musicians and put it on and everything go wonky. So yeah, oh interesting.
Ben:Yeah, well, that was it was. That was good theatrical effect, you know yeah, um.
Scott:Well, it made me think of also, like what a weekend, uh retreat, that would be for like a couple. Like no talking, this weekend, you're just gonna have to your tails and your ears and your I don't know.
Ben:I feel like a better weekend retreat would be like you get one horse and they get the other one, and like you hang out with that horse and every and every. You know you'll come and interact with each other, but most of the time you actually spend alone. But when your horses want to go say hi to each other, you do that too, but you don't say anything. Just listen from your horse.
Scott:Yeah, people would not be paid in that experience. They probably wouldn't pay for the other one. You mean, I'm not going to talk to her all weekend.
Ben:Yeah, yeah again. Yeah, I am. I I've heard this story about this this guy who is becoming a much, much better I shouldn't say much, much better but he was doing more and more meditation and, uh, he was talking to his uh meditation teacher and his meditation teacher was asking him about what his life at home was like and he said, honestly, it's really not that great. I'm feeling kind of distant from my kids and my wife and I'm just getting so into this meditation stuff that I'm just like I just don't know how to connect with them anymore, Because I'm feeling like my mind is expanding and I'm seeing the world with this new perspective and they're just like, they're just not in the same, you know place. We're just on different wavelengths now. And so the meditation teacher said, okay, well, why don't you bring your wife along to the next silent retreat? And he's like okay, I'll think about that. Yeah, I'll talk to her, see what she thinks. And so she says, okay, yeah, that sounds good, let's do that.
Ben:And so it's the first day of the retreat and they go to the master. He says I want to talk to you, like actually come to my office after orientation. And so he's like what I want you to do is in your room you have a queen size bed. I want you, while all the other students are meditating, doing the typical thing, part of the structured programming I want the two of you to just sit on that bed. You can get up to go to the bathroom, of course, but when I go to the bathroom and come back and sit back down on the bed and do your, you're going to do the retreat there and you can talk.
Ben:Like this is not a silent retreat for you, you can talk as much as you want and and after the end of the week they ended up like just mind melding, but only because it was like husband and wife just like having to just facilitate themselves and it like ended up not really being a meditation retreat. Or maybe it was the best meditation retreat ever, but they spent most of their time in silence.
Scott:Is this a real story?
Ben:uh, supposedly I read it in a book from a um multi-faith spiritual teacher I thought it was the same guy that wrote that book about resurrecting jesus I thought it was like a setup to a joke oh no, no, it's, it's I. I just brought it up because I I wasn't sure I.
Scott:I just it was because I wasn't sure it was a good setup.
Ben:This is a good setup. It's kind of I mean, there's not much more to it than just.
Scott:And then they just sat on the bed for a week.
Ben:They just sat on the bed together for a week and most of the time it was in silence. But at some point the guy realized how he um was kind of like neglecting this part of himself and like kind of had this like air of self-righteousness when and this just helped him like connect better to his wife and realize that like oh, this is act, thank god I have this family to keep me like grounded in my humanity and like keep me humble. It's like what is this meditation for, if not to like go out in the world and actually like build meaningful connections and like have restorative, nourishing connections with yeah, this one Loyal connections.
Scott:It wasn't a joke, it was a sermon.
Ben:But maybe, I don't know, just replace the two people with horses, I guess, and like yeah.
Scott:Listen with your body, you know need some land to keep your horses.
Ben:Yeah, always need land to keep your horses. Yeah, always need land to keep your horses, it's true, yeah, um, speaking of horses, here's a cow. I woke up this morning to a beer can on the table. I didn't think anything of it. There's always beer cans on the table.
Ben:I feel like I don't don't know, I'm always buying bottles, and so I just kept going about my day. And then, when I finally sat down to eat my breakfast and drink my coffee, I was reading, and then I looked up and saw this and then I saw this actually Viewer.
Scott:I'm like wait Listener. Explain to the viewer what you're seeing. He is showing me a fingerprint that's been reduced to a map of Wisconsin on the back of an illegally exported IP.
Ben:Yeah, it's like how, it's almost like it has the air. My embodied reaction to this is like when I find a really rare yugioh card that I've been looking for for a long time how did it get there to washington? I have no idea. I haven't encountered anyone this morning this was not on the this was when I went to bed. I didn't. It was. I think keegan went somewhere, he like went out drinking or something, and then he came back and must have put this on the table.
Scott:I mean it's. I'm joking that it's like there must be an avid black market. I mean, it's not really. It wasn't a black market to drive Coors across state line and bring it back to me.
Ben:No, you can do it. I think you just have to like, probably pay a premium on shipping, because it's like no, we don't typically export.
Scott:You can order it online, probably. Probably there's just yeah, you can't sell it in your bar outside of wisconsin.
Ben:That's what they. They don't distribute it you put. I mean, I mean for how they're not licensed to. It's like how healthy and diverse seattle's like craft brew scene is. I feel like because there's a shop but that's why them not being distributable outside of wisconsin is a brilliant marketing move yeah, it's true, that's exactly right, because people in wisconsin go nuts and then it's like and now you got this specialty product like I would hold, like a, like a it's like cuban cigars, yeah, they're just in demand because you're not supposed to have them it's.
Ben:It's a brilliant marketing tool. There's such a story behind this. Right now, did we even say what the brewing company and kind of beer it is?
Scott:The Belgian beer. I can talk about that. I had it when I had beer from that town when I was in college and I thought it's tasted so skunky.
Ben:This is not a Belgian beer.
Scott:Yeah, New Glarus is.
Ben:New Glarus Brewing Company.
Scott:No, spotted Cow is like they took the Belgian recipe and just dialed it to make it like popular. If you have straight ahead belgian, it's really I don't know, but I wasn't. I wasn't used to it on my palate as a discerning drinker in college yeah, yeah, yeah yeah so are we. Is that our sponsor? I think so I think so we're sponsoring it. I mean, we're adding to the mystique of spotted cow from new glaris.
Ben:Yeah, you can also get moon man and um, what else they got I don't know pretzels no, that's dorothy dots pretzels oh, that's my least favorite pretzels okay, they're not sponsoring us, we don't know they're not. I like them it's funny, like whenever I see new glaris, I have this like this, this taste, and like feeling it in my mouth. It's just being so satiated and then eating pretzels along with it, just because the set and setting is just, ah, lakeside cabin chilling out, not a care in the world, just drinking Spotted Cow and eating Snyder's pretzels.
Scott:Careful, don't sell me on alcohol.
Ben:Okay.
Scott:All right, but this is New Glarus. The only beer my brother drinks is Botted Cow Are you sure? Yeah, that's true.
Ben:Mark, is that true?
Scott:Okay, send your text off. Text me, mark.
Ben:Send John's through's can either press the same about this form, please, or denied that's your number I'll be awaiting it about a month and a half from now, uh somewhere at the end, jane, where? What is this? That was one of the best commercials, I think we've ever done.
Scott:Yeah, the best commercials I think we've ever done.
Ben:Yeah, the best commercials are the ones where you don't even realize it's a commercial.
Scott:That's the first time, I think, that's happened.
Ben:Yeah, I don't know.
Scott:It'll go in the year-end review.
Ben:Why is Wisconsin so crazy about beer?
Scott:Good question review why is wisconsin so crazy about beer? Um, good question. I or they just like decided a germanic culture.
Ben:Is it similar to dairy? And where they're just said like, oh, we're the dairy state now because it's like oh, this will help the.
Scott:Well, it was a. The whole place was this? When the Erie Canal opened up, it became like more straightforward to immigrate and get to some land in on the Great Lakes, and Wisconsin was just like the farthest place with the warmest climate. It was just like the farthest place with the warmest climate, and you know. So they just were flooded with the immigrants of that time which were Germanic, and they brought with them their beer and cheese and their beer and cheese culture.
Ben:Yeah.
Scott:And also their local village culture, and it just was like a clone of german culture for a while yeah, yeah, I mean it's a similar thing, for why new york and it's pastrami is so yeah yeah, that's kind of the case like all over the place and oh yeah, I don't know why, but and bourbon is a big thing, I think it's also. It's also if you took these German people and move them to Norway, what would they do? They would drink more, you know.
Ben:So what happened Do they? You? You moved the German people to Wisconsin. Did they drink more?
Scott:And Wisconsin has a climate of Norway.
Ben:They grew more.
Scott:Yeah, you drink more in the winter. It's a cultural thing too. So if you're permanently living, that's a good theory. I just came up with that. Yeah, good one, germany.
Ben:I've been reading about German deforestation, or I don't know. I think a lot of people would argue lack thereof. German deforestation, it's complicated. I'm learning about it, I'm in the middle of it.
Ben:It's interesting, but back in like the mid, the late 80s and I think into the 90s there was this phenomenon going on in Central Europe called I think they called it Walster, walch, walch I'm going to butcher this Walsterben, walsterben, something like that, and I think it just means like the dying of forests, or forest death, and all of germany and the german forest forestry industry was freaking out because they were like our german forests are in process right now of just like being devastated by what they were the.
Ben:The scientists in germany were attributing it to um different uh air pollutants I think sulfur dioxide was the big one, but I think there were other other things going on, like acid rain, and there was just a lot of yellowing and trees were just turning sickly all over the place, but it was really hard to trace it back to any specific thing.
Ben:But I think I haven't done much research, but it sounds like a lot of German foresters were like no, this is just an acid rain problem, and I don't know why the rest of the world is not freaking out. No, this is just an acid rain problem, okay, and so we have to, and I don't know why the rest of the world's not freaking out about this, because this is this is a problem that is going to start being felt all over the world because it's just a mixing pollutant just all over the place. And eventually it just went away. The problem just like stopped being a problem, but for like this solid five to ten year period. German foresters were like it's, over forested, like gone it's. I might be exaggerating, but wasn't.
Scott:Isn't there been something addressed with respect to acid rain? It's like the ozone hole. Didn't something get done?
Ben:yeah, that's true, and it was about that time. Huh yeah, the cfc's chlorofluorocarbons stopped, but that's not acid.
Scott:Rain was like coal smoke, I think okay, well, I'm sure they're all.
Ben:There's a connection across across the board. But I'm a grad student now at udub but trying to find research papers on this has proved incredibly difficult. I'll find one on google where I'm like, oh, that seems like a good one, I'll look into that. And then I'm like go to the udub. It's like, oh, this is not within our system, you can't. You can't access this journal. I'm like what you are the university of washington. You're like hundreds what you are the University of Washington. You're like hundreds of millions of dollars are part of your institution and you can't get like access to, like the review of German environmental forestry, like what, what? But so it's been weird.
Scott:What does it take? And I?
Ben:also like I don't have time for that. What am I doing here? I just read the book. Oh interesting Move on.
Scott:So a professor would have to say, yeah, that journal is important or something to get the library to go get it.
Ben:Yeah, well, I think a lot of them are in the actual. Well, yeah, look at me, what was me? I think a lot of them are in the physical stacks, so I could go to the actual library and then, like, do the research and then scan the pages and get it, but I'm like I'm not doing a PhD, this is all just like, oh, this is interesting stuff, I'll do that. I might do it eventually.
Ben:I got a body to take care of. I got food to cook. I got matches on Tinder to message. I can't do that.
Scott:You're saying, as a Forrester grad student, you're opposed to going off and digging through reams of paper which came from dead trees.
Ben:Yeah, because I'm boycotting trees. I don't want anyone to cut down trees. Yeah, I'm going into forestry so that we can, so that I can just tell everyone to stop cutting down trees permanently.
Scott:You're going to be the lorax of yeah yeah, yeah.
Ben:I go about my life pretending that I don't need trees anywhere right now. I'm pretending that none of this, that most of this house, doesn't exist.
Scott:Yes.
Ben:So I don't have the heat on.
Scott:Your mom and I.
Ben:Look, it's possible to live without a house.
Scott:We watched this documentary on the Notre Dame yesterday and how the French had all these big enough and old enough and straight enough oaks to redo the construction of the part of the roof. What was that they just opened?
Ben:it in.
Scott:December. Oh, part of the roof. What was that? They just opened it in December.
Ben:Oh my. God, so that must have been like. Oh, so they had big enough and straight enough oaks that were raised specifically. They weren't.
Scott:Oh, just in their stands of forests they're probably managed forests, I imagine they still had to go hunt for them wow why did?
Ben:you learn this I was uh nova I have to add this to my list of research that I'll never do yeah, um, so part of it is interviewing the people who are the stewards of the land.
Scott:I think a lot of it was government cool, yeah, alright kind of amazing because, yeah, they had those trees, which all would have been pretty old yeah, definitely yeah there's some amazing silvicultural systems, which is just another word for forest systems well, is that ever important? To keep, people have done some pretty ingenious things keep some of the oldsters in the world of forestry keep some of the old trees old growth yeah yeah, I mean it's.
Ben:It's complex and it depends on the stand, depends on the situation, but there are more or less infinite ways to approach, like how you end up treating or harvesting a stand of forest, and it depends on your objectives and you know a healthy forestry system is depends on your objectives and you know a healthy forestry system is one in which there's all different sorts of treatments happening all over the place, but big trees are huge. They're important. Big trees are huge. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. We've got less than a minute. That's where we ended up. That's the big insight of the day Trees are huge.
Scott:Perfect, oh my God, up that's. That's big. Inside of the day, shoots are huge. Yeah, perfect, oh my god. Thank god, glad to see you, um, you know, thrilled about your topic after a quarter of stuff.
Ben:Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel good about it. Part of it's just the fact that I'm like oh my god, I'm done. I went through a class on measuring natural resources and actually I'm still interested in it.
Scott:This podcast was called. What do we call it? Who?
Ben:do we call this? I don't know, just let AI do it.
